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NFL 2013 Season Week 4 Picks
49ers 35 @ Rams 11
Final
Thu, 9/26/13 7:25pm
14 Picks - 88%
2 Picks - 12%
49ers

49ers

49ers

49ers

Ravens 20 @ Bills 23
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 12:00pm
15 Picks - 94%
1 Pick - 6%
Ravens

Ravens

Ravens

Ravens

Bengals 6 @ Browns 17
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 12:00pm
16 Picks - 100%
0 Picks - 0%
Bengals

Bengals

Bengals

Bengals

Bears 32 @ Lions 40
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 12:00pm
10 Picks - 63%
6 Picks - 37%
Bears

Bears

Bears

Bears

Seahawks 23 @ Texans 20
final overtime
Sun, 9/29/13 12:00pm
12 Picks - 75%
4 Picks - 25%
Seahawks

Seahawks

Seahawks

Seahawks

Colts 37 @ Jaguars 3
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 12:00pm
16 Picks - 100%
0 Picks - 0%
Colts

Colts

Colts

Colts

Giants 7 @ Chiefs 31
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 12:00pm
1 Pick - 6%
15 Picks - 94%
Chiefs

Chiefs

Chiefs

Chiefs

Steelers 27 @ Vikings 34
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 12:00pm
7 Picks - 44%
9 Picks - 56%
Vikings

Vikings

Vikings

Vikings

Cardinals 13 @ Buccaneers 10
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 12:00pm
9 Picks - 56%
7 Picks - 44%
Buccaneers

Cardinals

Cardinals

Buccaneers

Jets 13 @ Titans 38
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 3:05pm
3 Picks - 19%
13 Picks - 81%
Titans

Titans

Titans

Titans

Eagles 20 @ Broncos 52
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 3:25pm
1 Pick - 6%
15 Picks - 94%
Broncos

Broncos

Broncos

Broncos

Commanders 24 @ Raiders 14
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 3:25pm
11 Picks - 69%
5 Picks - 31%
Commanders

Commanders

Commanders

Raiders

Cowboys 21 @ Chargers 30
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 3:25pm
14 Picks - 88%
2 Picks - 12%
Chargers

Cowboys

Cowboys

Cowboys

Patriots 30 @ Falcons 23
Final
Sun, 9/29/13 7:30pm
9 Picks - 56%
7 Picks - 44%
Falcons

Falcons

Falcons

Patriots

Dolphins 17 @ Saints 38
Final
Mon, 9/30/13 7:40pm
4 Picks - 25%
12 Picks - 75%
Saints

Dolphins

Saints

Saints

Week Record:
10 - 50.667

Season Record:
39 - 240.619
No-Pack-Vike Record:
1681 - 9610.636
Lifetime Record:
1882 - 11150.628
Week Record:
9 - 60.600

Season Record:
38 - 250.603
No-Pack-Vike Record:
1620 - 10220.613
Lifetime Record:
1777 - 12200.593
Week Record:
10 - 50.667

Season Record:
42 - 210.667
No-Pack-Vike Record:
1687 - 9550.638
Lifetime Record:
1873 - 11240.625
Week Record:
9 - 60.600

Season Record:
41 - 220.651
No-Pack-Vike Record:
1675 - 9670.634
Lifetime Record:
1884 - 11130.629



49ers
Ravens
Bengals
Lions
Texans
Colts
Chiefs
Steelers
Cardinals
Titans
Broncos
Commanders
Chargers
Patriots
Saints
Week: | 11 - 4 0.733 |
Season: | 42 - 21 0.667 |
Lifetime: | 1227 - 697 0.638 |


49ers
Bills
Bengals
Lions
Seahawks
Colts
Chiefs
Vikings
Buccaneers
Titans
Broncos
Raiders
Cowboys
Patriots
Saints
Week: | 11 - 4 0.733 |
Season: | 46 - 17 0.730 |
Lifetime: | 1201 - 727 0.623 |


49ers
Ravens
Bengals
Lions
Texans
Colts
Chiefs
Steelers
Buccaneers
Titans
Broncos
Raiders
Cowboys
Patriots
Saints
Week: | 8 - 7 0.533 |
Season: | 20 - 12 0.625 |
Lifetime: | 988 - 666 0.597 |


49ers
Ravens
Bengals
Lions
Texans
Colts
Chiefs
Steelers
Buccaneers
Jets
Broncos
Raiders
Cowboys
Falcons
Saints
Week: | 6 - 9 0.400 |
Season: | 34 - 29 0.540 |
Lifetime: | 476 - 302 0.612 |


49ers
Ravens
Bengals
Lions
Seahawks
Colts
Chiefs
Vikings
Buccaneers
Titans
Eagles
Commanders
Cowboys
Patriots
Saints
Week: | 10 - 5 0.667 |
Season: | 40 - 23 0.635 |
Lifetime: | 663 - 406 0.620 |


49ers
Ravens
Bengals
Bears
Seahawks
Colts
Chiefs
Steelers
Cardinals
Titans
Broncos
Commanders
Cowboys
Falcons
Saints
Week: | 9 - 6 0.600 |
Season: | 41 - 22 0.651 |
Lifetime: | 674 - 338 0.666 |


49ers
Ravens
Bengals
Bears
Seahawks
Colts
Chiefs
Vikings
Cardinals
Jets
Broncos
Commanders
Cowboys
Falcons
Saints
Week: | 9 - 6 0.600 |
Season: | 38 - 25 0.603 |
Lifetime: | 478 - 289 0.623 |


49ers
Ravens
Bengals
Bears
Seahawks
Colts
Chiefs
Steelers
Cardinals
Titans
Broncos
Commanders
Cowboys
Patriots
Saints
Week: | 10 - 5 0.667 |
Season: | 42 - 21 0.667 |
Lifetime: | 557 - 306 0.645 |

49ers
Ravens
Bengals
Bears
Seahawks
Colts
Chiefs
Vikings
Cardinals
Jets
Broncos
Commanders
Cowboys
Patriots
Dolphins
Week: | 9 - 6 0.600 |
Season: | 42 - 21 0.667 |
Lifetime: | 477 - 282 0.628 |


Rams
Ravens
Bengals
Lions
Seahawks
Colts
Chiefs
Steelers
Cardinals
Titans
Broncos
Commanders
Cowboys
Patriots
Dolphins
Week: | 9 - 6 0.600 |
Season: | 36 - 27 0.571 |
Lifetime: | 469 - 248 0.654 |


Rams
Ravens
Bengals
Bears
Seahawks
Colts
Chiefs
Steelers
Cardinals
Titans
Broncos
Commanders
Cowboys
Patriots
Dolphins
Week: | 8 - 7 0.533 |
Season: | 35 - 26 0.574 |
Lifetime: | 341 - 206 0.623 |


49ers
Ravens
Bengals
Bears
Texans
Colts
Giants
Vikings
Buccaneers
Titans
Broncos
Raiders
Cowboys
Falcons
Saints
Week: | 6 - 9 0.400 |
Season: | 27 - 36 0.429 |
Lifetime: | 149 - 126 0.542 |
![]() | Steelers 27 @ Vikings 34 | ![]() |
![]() | SarahIN LONDON?!?!? Never gets old. |
![]() | JonVikings look terrible. |
![]() | JeremyTuuuuuuurn out the liiiiiiights, the party's oooover. |
![]() | Patriots 30 @ Falcons 23 | ![]() |
![]() | SarahWhatevs. |
![]() | JonWhere is all the Patriots salary going? They have Tom Brady and 52 guys off the street. |
![]() | Dolphins 17 @ Saints 38 | ![]() |
![]() | SarahBoth are 3-0 but only one gets to stay undefeated. #MNF |
![]() | JonI'm not that comfortable with most picks this week. No clue how good or bad either of these teams is. |


Chamillitary420 - 1 Posts
09/19/2013 @ 12:46:03 AM
I'm always gonna put my picks before everyone now


Scott - 6053 Posts
09/27/2013 @ 08:03:02 AM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9730220/minnesota-vikings-christian-ponder-matt-cassel-start
Ponder "broke his rib". Yeah, that's it, he's not getting benched. He's hurt, see, he's hurt.
Ponder "broke his rib". Yeah, that's it, he's not getting benched. He's hurt, see, he's hurt.


Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet
09/27/2013 @ 09:18:34 AM
Starting Cassel gets us no where, and Ponder isn't the problem. Conversely if we win in London it will probably be because we fix other things, and I'm sure Cassel will get the credit. Vikings have scored 81 points. That's 7th in the league. Outside of his first carry of the season the running game has been nothing but a down waster. While it isn't exactly like there's an MVP performance hiding in the stats somewhere, Ponder must be doing something right.
The next closest 0-3 team has 67 points (Washington), and lots of those were garbage time against the Packers. The Steelers have 43 points.
The point is the defense needs to get us a win or 2 when we put up 24 or 30 on the road, or 27 at home against the Browns. (Although that game more came down to the Browns pulling every trick they had to show they were still watchable)
The next closest 0-3 team has 67 points (Washington), and lots of those were garbage time against the Packers. The Steelers have 43 points.
The point is the defense needs to get us a win or 2 when we put up 24 or 30 on the road, or 27 at home against the Browns. (Although that game more came down to the Browns pulling every trick they had to show they were still watchable)
Jeremy edited this 3 times, last at 09/27/2013 9:54:45 am


Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible!
09/27/2013 @ 10:08:41 AM
Statistically, it's hard to find exactly what Ponder is doing right. He's 21st in the league in completion percentage, 22nd in yards, 18th in yards per attempt, he's thrown the 3rd most ints, all resulting in being 30th in passer rating. Obviously when you lose 2 games on last second touchdowns when you've already scored 27 or more points it means that your defense needs to step up and you could easily be a 2-1 team, but based on Ponder's line, you could also justifiably say that they are 7th in the league in points in spite of him. Or to say it less cynically, it isn't because of Ponder that they are 7th in the league in points. Maybe he isn't the problem, but he's not exactly playing like he's the solution either.
Regarding AP being a down-waster, it you take away the first carry of the season, his avg yards per carry is more like 2.9 instead of the 4.1 that he has. What happened to the Vikings O-line?
Regarding AP being a down-waster, it you take away the first carry of the season, his avg yards per carry is more like 2.9 instead of the 4.1 that he has. What happened to the Vikings O-line?
Scott screwed with this 2 times, last at 09/27/2013 10:10:17 am


Jeremy - I hate our freedoms
09/27/2013 @ 10:36:53 AM
No idea, but they're one of the many "let's all stop pretending this is all Ponder" problems. Ponder has done a fair amount on the ground. The running game is crap, the offensive line is crap, the defense is crap (so it's not like it's just a matter of "got lots of chances').
I don't know where the effectiveness is hidden, and I'm not even saying he "looks" effective even if the stats don't bare it out, but he must be doing something, because those aren't 81 points from the defense and special teams.
I don't know where the effectiveness is hidden, and I'm not even saying he "looks" effective even if the stats don't bare it out, but he must be doing something, because those aren't 81 points from the defense and special teams.


Scott - 6053 Posts
09/27/2013 @ 11:13:46 AM
The defense does have 10 takeaways, which usually means good starting field position (at least on those possessions), which could result in points that sort of are falling in your lap a little bit. But clearly, pretending that the Vikings problems would all be solved with a slightly better QB is silly. Even the Packers who have by lots of accounts the "best player in the league" (or at the very least, one of the best players, not to start some debate about some list), are 1-2.
(Although to be fair about the small sample of the first 3 games, the packers played 3 playoff teams, including 1 Super Bowl team, and the Vikings have played 3 teams that were a combined 19-29 last year. My point isn't to compare the Packers and the Vikings per se, in fact I'm pointing out the fact that I'm not comparing the two in my initial statement above by pointing to the differences in the statement that might lead one to think I'm making a comparison. I'm just stating that in the 3 game sample, the Vikings, who statistically have one of the worst QBs in the league this season are just 1 game worse than the Packers who statistically have one of the best QBs in the league this season.)
It's bad when the disclaimer is longer (and more unnecessary) than the statement you are trying to make.
(Although to be fair about the small sample of the first 3 games, the packers played 3 playoff teams, including 1 Super Bowl team, and the Vikings have played 3 teams that were a combined 19-29 last year. My point isn't to compare the Packers and the Vikings per se, in fact I'm pointing out the fact that I'm not comparing the two in my initial statement above by pointing to the differences in the statement that might lead one to think I'm making a comparison. I'm just stating that in the 3 game sample, the Vikings, who statistically have one of the worst QBs in the league this season are just 1 game worse than the Packers who statistically have one of the best QBs in the league this season.)
It's bad when the disclaimer is longer (and more unnecessary) than the statement you are trying to make.


Scott - 6053 Posts
09/27/2013 @ 11:43:04 AM
The Vikings do have a return touchdown and a defensive touchdown, so 14 of those points are coming from the defense and special teams. The Vikings have 7 offensive touchdowns (passing or rushing), which is good for 13th in the league. Not terrible, but a better picture of offensive productivity than just points.
I took the NFL.com stats for offensive points and took only included rushing touchdowns, receiving tds, FGs, extra points, and 2 point conversions (excluded any non-offensive points). The Vikings are 12th, so at first glance they are at least above average.
I took the NFL.com stats for offensive points and took only included rushing touchdowns, receiving tds, FGs, extra points, and 2 point conversions (excluded any non-offensive points). The Vikings are 12th, so at first glance they are at least above average.


Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear
09/27/2013 @ 12:57:06 PM
81-14 = As many points as the next closest 0-3 team, counting whatever their D/Special teams did, and again, like 20 of the Redskin's points were of the too-little-too-late variety in the Packers-Redskins game.
Also the Vikings started with 2 road divisional games, so there is that.
Also the Vikings started with 2 road divisional games, so there is that.
Jeremy edited this 2 times, last at 09/27/2013 1:01:21 pm


Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i
09/27/2013 @ 01:06:43 PM
Either way it's a moot point. Matt "people cheered when I got hurt so Brady Effing Quinn could take my spot" Cassel isn't an answer. The Vikings need to sink or swim with Ponder. If the running game picks up, which means the team cant just swarm the oline on every play, and Ponder gets half a second to pass once in a while, maybe he picks it up and the Vikings build on that.
If the answer is "ok, he's just bad" then the Vikings want to suck anyway. All going 7-9 instead of 5-11 gets you is a worse pick.
As it stands they've played poorly in all 3 games, one of which was of the "everything that could go wrong did, and at the worst time" vareity and they're still 3 differences away from a 3 and 0 team. 0-3 sucks, but if they put up this many points sucking, imagine what would happen if they ever didn't suck. Not exactly time to call it and commit to a qb in the draft again.
If the answer is "ok, he's just bad" then the Vikings want to suck anyway. All going 7-9 instead of 5-11 gets you is a worse pick.
As it stands they've played poorly in all 3 games, one of which was of the "everything that could go wrong did, and at the worst time" vareity and they're still 3 differences away from a 3 and 0 team. 0-3 sucks, but if they put up this many points sucking, imagine what would happen if they ever didn't suck. Not exactly time to call it and commit to a qb in the draft again.
Jeremy messed with this at 09/27/2013 1:10:37 pm


Jeremy - 9183 Posts
09/29/2013 @ 03:18:56 PM
Sarah: Maybe the 49ers are terrible. This makes the Packers even more terrible than what they are and I don't want to think about that right now."
Browns held the Bengals to 6 points today in a win as well.
Browns held the Bengals to 6 points today in a win as well.
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49ers 35 @ Rams 11
Sarah
Maybe the 49ers are terrible. This makes the Packers even more terrible than what they are and I don't want to think about that right now.Jon
Remember the Los Angeles Rams?